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SKY Strikes Back

Via this notice on WSE Live (to be deleted by Luke soon, no doubt):

Delisting
Submitted by: Sky Island Estate (SKY)
Date: March 11, 2008

SKY is delisting from the WSE. My reason is simple; Anshe Chung (Third Party) is an investor in our company and in the WSE. She allows avatars to break the forum rules, bashing us on the SLExchange.com. I will not continue to support those that do not support us.

I have made a list of all the SKY shareholders. We will either regroup on a different exchange or pay each person for their shares. Because Third Party is not a valid avatar name he/she will not be refunded.

Good luck with your SL companies.
Take care.
Paris

On Paris Druart's website (ParisDruart.com):

March 11, 2008

We are delisting SKY from the World Stock Exchange. My reason is simple; Anshe Chung (Third Party) is an investor in our company and in the WSE. She allows avatars to break the forum rules, bashing us on the SLExchange.com. I will not continue to support those that do not support us.

I have made a list of all the SKY shareholders. We will either regroup on a different exchange or pay each person for their shares. Because Third Party is not a valid avatar name he/she will not be refunded.

Ouch. It is a pretty well known fact that the WSE has Anshe Chung and others hiding behind the name 'Third Party' - and LukeConnell Vandeverre has said over and over that Linden dollars represent a limited license right... so it seems that Paris has turned the tables in that regard.

I guess when you make a game, you better lookout for those rules.

Paris Druart hasn't responded to me inworld yet, but it does seem like she has said what she wanted to - and set a tone that is a little defiant in its own way. Whether this was a good move or not is open to debate - but it certainly is a bold move, and one that seems to be based on something quite odd in most business:

Principle.

It is hard not to respect that.




So I talked to Paris. Sort of.

[2008/03/11 17:23] Nobody Fugazi: Hi Paris. I saw your notice on delisting... mind if I get some details from you to expand on it?
[2008/03/11 17:23] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[2008/03/12 15:27] Paris Druart: (Saved Wed Mar 12 08:38:36 2008) Hello Nobody, I am not sure if there is any more to say. Do you have an exact question?
[2008/03/12 15:29] Nobody Fugazi: Sure, I have a more exact question - can you expand on how Anshe Chung/WSE/whoever conspired against you?
[2008/03/12 15:29] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[2008/03/12 15:29] Nobody Fugazi: Links, etc?
[2008/03/12 15:29] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[2008/03/12 16:19] Paris Druart: I did not say conspired.
[2008/03/12 16:19] Nobody Fugazi: then tell me.
[2008/03/12 16:20] Paris Druart: have a good day
[2008/03/12 16:21] Nobody Fugazi: well, that certainly doesn't help your case. Looks like you're just another person trying to rip off Anshe. Heh. You have a good day.
[2008/03/12 16:22] Paris Druart: I donot see why you think owe you an explanation.
[2008/03/12 16:23] Nobody Fugazi: I do not see why you think no one does. Your reputation on sims is pretty shoddy, you pull this move - hey, its all good. Not my problem.
[2008/03/12 16:23] Nobody Fugazi: Bye.
-- End of Log ---
[16:23] Paris Druart: and how exactly am I as you say rip off Anshe
[16:24] Nobody Fugazi: well, not paying her back as you mention in the blog is pretty much ripping off Anshe, since you stated you know that Anshe is third party.
[16:24] Nobody Fugazi: so, sort of like pulling the rug out from under tenants.
[16:24] Paris Druart: no, I said I am not paying back Third Party
[16:24] Nobody Fugazi: uhhuh.
[16:24] Nobody Fugazi: so obviously you said all you had to say.
[16:25] Nobody Fugazi: its obviously so clear.
[16:25] Paris Druart: the WSE rules state that an avatar has to be in-world for 90 days, Third Party is not an avatar
[16:25] Nobody Fugazi: especially when I get a bunch of comments on a post referring to your poor practices noted in the past.
[16:25] Nobody Fugazi: http://www.your2ndplace.com/node/975
[16:25] Paris Druart: I see, you think you know it all
[16:25] Nobody Fugazi: now, I gave you the option to answer to stuff. But you'
[16:25] Paris Druart: well, you do not, one day you will understand
[16:25] Paris Druart: maybe
[16:25] Nobody Fugazi: you're trying to be smarter than everyone else.
[16:26] Paris Druart: no
[16:26] Nobody Fugazi: But here's the thing:
[16:26] Nobody Fugazi: You are not looking good right now.
[16:26] Nobody Fugazi: Blowing me off doesn't give you much credibility.
[16:26] Paris Druart: I just do not read gossip
[16:26] Nobody Fugazi: so. You decide.
[16:26] Nobody Fugazi: I quoted BOTH of your posts. Those ain't gossip.
[16:26] Paris Druart: why do you think you are so important?
[16:26] Nobody Fugazi: Now, I wash my hands of this. When you have something to actually say, let me know. Bye.
[16:27] Paris Druart: haha, funny
[16:27] Paris Druart: hit and run
[16:27] Nobody Fugazi: Posting the whole conversation on Y2P.
[16:27] Nobody Fugazi: Later.
[16:27] Paris Druart: welll, we know you will not do that here in SL
[16:27] Paris Druart: so go break the rules else where
[16:28] Paris Druart: now you know why I did not want to waste my time with you, you had your agenda
[16:29] Nobody Fugazi: I wanted the truth. You refused to be clear. You clearly have an agenda. So - again, goodbye.
[16:29] Paris Druart: your name says it all
[16:29] Paris Druart: [mute]
[16:29] Nobody Fugazi: It should have.
[16:29] Nobody Fugazi: scam artist.

Second Life Consultant

Oh dear

She does herself no favours does she. Maybe she's stressed, maybe she needs to hire a PR department.

I'd be interested to hear her view

There have been a lot of complaints about Paris Druart, leading to people throwing a wobbly in the official forums about deleted and locked threads on the subject. I don't know if people are trying to deliberately undermine Sky estates or whether there are communication problems but that name has been coming up a lot lately with regards to people claiming they've been victims of an estate scam.

Unlike the official forums, SLExchange threads are less likely to be deleted and locked and of course names can be named at SLExchange.

Man that's rough. I will be

Man that's rough. I will be interested to see how this one turns out. To delist and then deny the fourth largest holder their equity is not something I would do. Ecspecially when the holder is the WAL-MART of SL. That takes MAJOR guts. I guess it won't hurt Anshe though, still L$200K is a lot of money to just cut off. Welcome to the Wild West. I wonder if she tried to talk to Anshe (or Anshe's people) about it or just acted arbitrarily. Anshe really doesn't do the day to day management of SLX. She just an angel investor from what I understand.

It is all a bit peculiar.

But then, anything surrounding WSE or Anshe Chung is usually a little peculiar. I honestly don't know what to make of it yet.

I do have a feeling that this will quietly blow over, though.

Second Life Consultant

can someone post a link to

can someone post a link to this supposed bashing of SKY on slexchange forums? and how is Anshe responsible for that? she doesn't control that site, merely owns minority share.

I'd like to see that to.

Frankly, I don't have time to find that stuff. Contact with Paris Druart was made, and she basically said that she had written what she intended to.

I'll try asking a more focused question. Perhaps she'll show some links.

Second Life Consultant

Links

They took my island

I lost my island was ripped

Beware estate owners

Which starts off as a thread about a dodgy tenant and turns into Paris bashing.

Yes, that's one side.

Now, is this the side that Paris is complaining about?

I think I'll shelve this one for now. Just another one that will run its course.

Second Life Consultant

Paris did complain

In some of those threads, I think she posted a "I won't be back here" comment. I would like to hear Paris' version of events because if someone is trying to undermine her by unethical business practice that's a concern for us all.

I´m one if the major

shareholders of SKY, right after Anshe Chung.

Paris told:

"I have made a list of all the SKY shareholders. We will either regroup on a different exchange or pay each person for their shares".

Nothing happend until now :(
And when i google her name or look at the forums i expect my money gone forever, no matter what she says.

Let´s look how things work out there.

Sportsbets Writer

Sportsbets Writer

about the forum posts,

about the forum posts, bashing is so iz to do..

follow the convenant, be ok with her.. and you ll never have trouble..
be dumb.. & you have it.

she only need to learn how to answer without making ww2 with the 2nd word..
that s all..