Update: It has come to my attention that, apparently, the quoted figures in this article are actually from Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:48 pm on the Ginko website. Thus, some sections are edited, and the older content will appear as strike. Apologies, as I thought Sarah's post was based on fresh information.
The issues of Ginko Financial continue. This is not new news, but for some people it apparently is becoming news as they check in. One has to wonder where these people have been... but they do come in.
To their credit, some apparent volunteers from GinkoTec have been helping explain things to people. Forepawz Golem and Craig Solzhenitsyn have been doing this, and Hinoserm Rebus (who sent out this explanation) has also been at the ATM as well - explaining things to people who are inexplicably new to this situation. It would probably be easier to give out notecards, but that lacks a personal touch and might make matters worse. As human beings, they deserve some respect - even with so much anger directed at Ginko Financial itself. Day in and day out, they seem to be around... though at the time of this writing, they all appear to have gone to get some sleep.
Of course, that doesn't mean Ginko Financial doesn't have things to answer for.
My last interview with a Ginko ATM, at 4:53 p.m. SLT, gave me this:
Ginko Financial ATM: Currently processing number 297 of 3324. (L$38,830,107)
While the facts and opinions of people have been well expressed, and Benjamin Duranske (VirtuallyBlind.com) continues to point out that it looks like a [w:ponzi scheme].
All of this had me poking around a bit. If you recall, Sarah Nerd posted Ginko Financial's disclosure of investments on July 30th, 2007 (but apparently originally posted on June 3rd). I decided to dig into that deeper. From the disclosure:
First, the overview. Our current stock portfolio, excluding halted companies (MPR) and subsidiaries (GCS and VME), consists of the
following:- 10,818,978 shares in BNT (Brautigan & Tuck Holdings) which has a 30-day average value of L$10,494,408.66.
- 6,773,393 shares in HCL (Hope Capital Ltd) which has a 30-day average value of L$19,846,041.49.
- 1,329,132 shares in LOT (Lotto Networks Unlimited) which has a 30-day average value of L$1,143,053.52.
- 624,570 shares in KCG (Kavai Conglomerate Group) which has a 30-day average value of L$6,913,989.9.
- 473,350 shares in EFM (Empire Fund Mutual) which has a 30-day average value of L$421,281.5.
- 55,395 shares in AIC (Allenvest Investment Capital). I am unsure what the average is, but it has a market value between L$55,395 and L$110,790.
So, let's see what there is now - and do so with the understanding that there may be sell orders in place.
BNT could not be researched, since the Allenvest has no major shareholder information available. However, the past week's volume on the BNT page shows only 231,185 shares have been traded over the past week. Even if all of that were to have been sales by Nicholas Portocarrero, that still puts substantial holdings in BNT - on the order of over 10,000,000 shares.
HCL: Present Ginko holdings are now 9,000,001 shares. This means that 2,226,607 shares were bought between July 30th June 3rd and August 6th, when the deposit issue was already known about. This is peculiar, to say the least - 2.2 million shares does seem like a dubious investment while one's bank is not able to permit withdrawals outside of a queue. It is odd that no shares have been sold.
LOT: 1,067,286 shares are now owned by Ginko, which means that 261,846 shares were sold. The last sales that Nicholas Portocarrero made were on July 28th, 2007.
KCG: Shares at this time are 617,777, which indicates that 6,793 shares have been sold by Ginko.
Empire Fund Mutual? Couldn't find it at all in search under classifieds or places. AIC's balance is simply private information.
What can be seen here that the overall investment over the last week has vastly outweighed the liquidation. I'm no expert, but... shouldn't a bank trying to become more liquid not invest? But we'll get back to HCL in a moment.
What can be seen here is that there has been no apparent liquidation - only an increase in assets since June 3rd.
But with Ginko Currency Services? Nicholas Portoacarrero has been having some success selling - and at present owns 9,272,448 shares of GCS.
Ginko Perpetual Bonds (GPB) doesn't have Nicholas as a major shareholder, so there's no way to tell whether there has been some liquidation there.
A Coincidence?
But there is something in common with HCL, GPB and GCS. Nicholas Portocarrero is the major shareholder in HCL - which, by proxy, puts him heavily invested in WSE. And guess who is listed on GCS and GPB as a Non-Executive Director? Lukeconnell Vandeverre, the CEO of HCL.
Is it a coincidence that these two names have been coming up a lot in the timeline since the WSE was 'hacked'? Doesn't it seem odd that when Nicholas Portocarrero is having trouble raising enough money to handle withdrawals that he would be investing in Hope Capital?
What's going on here? I'm not saying anything - but there are the facts right there. How do we explain these facts?
The Future of Ginko Financial
I always root for the underdog; it's an emotional response. Fortunately, I'm not very good at emotional response (I have references), so when I get past that - as brief as it has been - I have to ask why Benjamin Duranske is not right. I can't find anything which demonstrates otherwise, and the link to the WSE is not helping matters.
I've stood by my thoughts that the WSE's problems were related to Ginko (being down for a week after money was misappropriated, then the site was upgraded) because I thought this had affected Nicholas's ability to trade and rebuild the float during that time. But the indications of the trading do not support that theory The lack of explicit trading does not support this. - in fact, the investment in HCL during the same time while rebuilding the float are somewhat disturbing. What's really going on? And what is the role of Lukeconnell Vandeverre in all of this?
Update: See also Ginko in Death Throes
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Nicholas no longer a major shareholder of KCG.
It looks like Ginko holdings in KCG are being liquidated.
I wonder how that was done
I wonder how that was done since KCG hasn't traded in days. If this was a private trade how much did Ginko get for the stock and it is apparent that LukeConnel would have to be involved. This sure doesn't give me much confidence in the WSE. There is too much behind the scenes deals being made with no public disclosure.
Good point!!
When I check, things were up - but while I was talking with some people yesterday, they mentioned that the site was down. And the last trades on the site are:
Something really does smell awry in Denmark. Thanks for pointing this out!
Waiting for the sky to fall
Well there is no money in the market to buy, everyone is waiting for their withdrawals
Seems like Ginko will be forced to sell off their assets AT A DISCOUNT, come get some
Get ready for the markets to rock,... time is ticking before "Crunch Time" , yea ill take some BNT at 10c in the dollar. Ginko Bonds arent worth the paper they arent printed on
Time for the masses to rise up and take back whats theirs.
Ginko buying Hope Capital Bonds?
Source, last accessed at 10:31 p.m., SLT, Aug 6 2006
A couple of things you
A couple of things you didn't mention that just adds to the intrigue of the whole investment community is Nicholas is on the boards of KCG and BNT. When this story first broke he was on the board of HCl as well but now it appears LukeConnel has removed him so we will never know since that can't be documented. Also it was just announced that BNT has just aquired My Second Bank http://www.allenvestfinancial.com/home/story/BNT/453 and since Nicholas is a major shareholder in BNT as well as a member of the board maybe there will be somekind buyout of the Ginko shares with the assets from My Second Bank. Who knows these people all move too fast for me and I can't keep up.
Working that angle too...
Though it is taking some time. Should be posted before the end of the evening.
Empire Fund Mutual
Perhaps Sarah really meant Empire Fund Management which was re-branded as Midas Fund Management.
Just a thought...
https://www.wselive.com/research/announcements/27
Hmm.
I think she just copied and pasted what was posted on the Ginko website. You may be right - this announcement does show a name change, but Nicholas is not on the list of major shareholders.
The particular investment is not very large in the disclosed inworld investments - even if liquidated, it is a relatively small amount.
Great information
The link between the WSE and Ginko is an interesting tidbit. The whole finance world in SL seems a bit incestuous. And the interesting thing about this is how close Ginko came to owning AVIX.
I may have updated after you posted your comment...
you may want to look at it again, as those figures were from June 3rd. Apologies; I'd thought those figures came out the same day Sarah posted them. My mistake.
I see...
however, it doesn't substantially alter the story (or stories)
1. While in the midst of a liquidity crisis and a bank run, Ginko Financial has not liquidiated its substantial holdings in the SL equity markets. That's an A-lead story in my opinion. It is the type of damning information the public needs to know.
2. Ginko Financial owns 34% of Hope Capital, the parent of the World Stock Exchange. Ginko also attempted to gain control of AVIX, which failed, but obviously would've given Ginko substantial control over a majority of SL's equity markets (and control over deposits). You've asked a great question about the linkage between Ginko and the WSE.